This looks FANTASTIC!

"Desu-San-Desu" (Desu-San-Desu) 02/19/2014 at 00:13 • Filed to: None

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This looks FANTASTIC!

"Oh I'm sorry! I-I didn't know how this machine worked."

Howdy Harrell > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 00:23

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Been waiting for this one for quite some time now.

Amaze

Wow

Axial > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 00:24

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Looks alright. It'll be aimless fun, just like every other Disney-owned property and that's why it will be meh, but it'll at least be enjoyable meh.

Desu-San-Desu > Axial 02/19/2014 at 00:26

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It's a comic-book movie , It's supposed to be aimless fun. You want deeply thought-provoking existentialism? Go watch Cloud Atlas or Tree of Life or something.

JustWaitingForAMate > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 00:27

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I honestly haven't been this pumped for a movie in a long time.

Axial > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 00:36

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It's not that. It's just that everything Disney makes plays things safe and sure-fire. Too clean-cut, formulaic, and predictable.

It's the difference between Man of Steel and Captain America . You know what I was expecting? Captain America to cleanly save the day with pretty much no baggage in the end. You know what I wasn't expecting? Superman to commit murder in his debut appearance, and for the murdered individual to be a major character in the lore. That's the kind of thing Disney wouldn't do, because they want their comics-related films to be family friendly despite the fact that comics are decidedly not as such. The comics do some generally R-rated and controversial things.

banjo cat ghost of oppo past > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 00:38

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So hot for Gamora, the one adopted psychotic daughter of the Mad Titan Thanos, who appears at the end of The Avengers...though technically she didn't join the Guardians of the Galaxy until after she helped defeat Ultron, which I'm pretty sure they are making a movie about, but whatevs...

PS9 > Axial 02/19/2014 at 04:11

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Yeah sorry, but I knew exactly what was gonna go down once they got to that scene. How else was he going to save that family? It wasn't at all shocking to see Zod get his neck snapped; it was either that or a barbequed family.

Also, theres no credibility in Supes getting bent out of shape over killing A person when he was willing to smash apart a city fighting him. No way to level a metropolis sized city in broad daylight like that with 0 casualties. That really sucked all the Gravitas out of the whole "Oh noes, I'm a murder now!" thing for me.

Axial > PS9 02/19/2014 at 05:21

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Once they got to it, sure. But before then? Nope. Didn't expect this Supes to become a murderer in his first movie.

You'll also notice that Supes wasn't the one who smashed the city apart. It was the World Engine that did most of it, and it was Supes getting smacked by Zod that did most of the rest. And Smallville? That would be the US Air Force causing massive casualties. Supes played it pretty clean, all things considered.

Now, contrast that with Avengers where there was an entire army invading from an extra-dimensional portal and yet the city came out relatively unscathed and nothing of value was lost. The whole movie was emotionally unambitious and, while charming in segments, completely dead taken as a whole.

Shortly, the Marvel movies do not leave me wanting more, while I am really anxious to see what happens in the next Man of Steel. It's not often that Superman is more interesting than Iron Man...

PS9 > Axial 02/19/2014 at 09:06

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Nope, not going to accept that. He had as much opportunity to take a dangerous, city smashing fight away from a giant metropolitan area as Zod had to keep it there. Once the world engine was destroyed, there was no reason at all for that fight to be kept in the city, or anywhere near a civilized area. I would expect a "Hope I don't kill anyone..." version of this character to at least try to avoid collateral damage as much as possible, whether or not the enemy had some of their own. His willingness to go all in on that fight given where they were ruined the gravitas of that seen for me. You cannot expect me to buy both a Superman crushed to have blood on his hands *and* a Superman willing to help the enemy level a city if it would lead to their defeat. That doesn't work.

This isn't even the first time we've seen this angle. Remember when he Lobotomized Doomsday as a last resort? And when He took out President Lex Luthor? Those to were "Oh no, I killed someone!" story arcs too, and they ended with him becoming an authoritarian power figure, with Batman having to take him down somehow. Given that, I Wouldn't be shocked at all if BvsS features this arc, unless they try for one of the usual grab bag of excuses they otherwise turn to."Oh, he got exposed to some red kryptonite.","Oh, Darksied brainwashed him.","Oh, its an alternate universe and he's supposed to be evil here."

I would also not at all say that executing Zod was a risky storytelling move for the franchise. Think about it; he's not anywhere near being a major player is Kent's rouge gallery. He's not a brand builder, like Luthor, Doomsday, Darksied, or even Metallo could have been. They lose almost nothing in terms of the universe they could still mine for movie ideas by bumping him off, and its not like his survival was critical to the franchise.

Who needs sway bars anyway > Desu-San-Desu 02/19/2014 at 11:08

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I nearly spit out my tea when I saw this

Agrajag > Axial 02/19/2014 at 22:13

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The comics do some generally R-rated and controversial things.

Indeed. Especially Batman comics from of the 80's.

Agrajag > PS9 02/19/2014 at 22:41

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I approved of Man of Steel's way of dealing with Zod more so than Byrne's.

An act of necessity, rather than outright execution after being unable to come up with a way of confining with them.

As for the movie's scene. I saw it as him being upset that not only is he killing someone, but that it was the only other Kryptonian. That said, this needs to be something that bears on him, and is addressed in the next movie. Otherwise they might as well go with the alternate/elseworlds story lines you mentioned.

Something that has bothered me in all the discussions about that scene. No one brings up Batman totally murdering the Joker in the 1989 movie. That bothered me as a child when I saw it. The Joker was leaving, they were relatively safe, he could have gone after him later.